Parallax Propeller on Linux w/SimpleIDE - Revision history

Adminguy at 05:29, 19 February 2021

2021-02-19T05:29:10Z

Adminguy: /* PropWare - Dead Links fixed */

2020-12-09T09:06:07Z

PropWare - Dead Links fixed

Adminguy: /* PropWare */

2020-12-09T09:05:44Z

PropWare

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-09T09:05:25Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:55:41Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:55:21Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:54:38Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:45:05Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:44:07Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

Adminguy: /* Propeller and Linux Traps */

2020-12-06T18:27:16Z

Propeller and Linux Traps

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:29, 19 February 2021
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	It's walking a tightrope walk to get the propeller to work on GNULinux machines. But, it does and can work. Just be aware that there are a lot of unmaintained dead ends, if you tread down this path.		It's walking a tightrope walk to get the propeller to work on GNULinux machines. But, it does and can work. Just be aware that there are a lot of unmaintained dead ends, if you tread down this path.
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		+	==Todo==
		+	Get together the parallax data sheets and application notes and make a book.

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 He has a github here: https://github.com/parallaxinc/PropWare which lacks current releases. So you are stuck using his website for recent releases.
-PropWare, also currently replaces your packages cmake, which means if you use cmake, you may later get confused. There is a ticket, and I imagine it's a WIP. I tried compiling v2.1.0 for PropWare without luck.
+PropWare, currently replaces your packages (deb) cmake, which means if you use cmake, you may later get confused. There is a ticket, and I imagine it's a WIP. I tried compiling v2.1.0 for PropWare without luck.
 ===2020/12 - Catalina: Source Build Required===

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-===PropWare===
+===PropWare - Dead Links fixed===
 Go to the forums for most up to date instructions. There is a reasonable thread on Linux support here: https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/166656/simpleide-on-linux
 Link: https://david.zemon.name/PropWare/#/about
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 He has a github here: https://github.com/parallaxinc/PropWare which lacks current releases. So you are stuck using his website for recent releases.
 PropWare, also currently replaces your packages cmake, which means if you use cmake, you may later get confused. There is a ticket, and I imagine it's a WIP. I tried compiling v2.1.0 for PropWare without luck.
 ===2020/12 - Catalina: Source Build Required===
 Catalina is another option, but for Linux you are shoehorned into source build only. That would be ok, if the dependencies were reasonable, but after trying all of the above for 2-3 hours, then getting here, I was not in the mood for another rabbit hole.

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 ==Propeller and Linux Traps==
-So, you come from the RPI world, or are simple FOSS only, and you want to use the P2 on Linux. Great. But, let me warn you. There are a lot of dead ends in Propeller world. The quick answer to get it working is do the following:
+So, you come from the RPI world, or run FOSS, and want to use the P2 on Linux. Great. But, a warning: There are a lot of dead ends in Propeller world. The quick answer to get it working is do the following:
 # Use Debian Buster (possibly stretch or jessie)
 # Use the PropellerGCC website here: https://www.sites.google.com/site/propellergcc/ http://web.archive.org/web/20201009074325/https://sites.google.com/site/propellergcc/downloads/linux-downloads
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 # Should "just work"
-That's the tl;dr. Now for what does NOT work.
+That's the tl;dr. Now for what did NOT work for me.
 ===2020/12 - Recent SimpleIDE does not work easily===
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-===2020/12 - PropWare Dead Links===
+===PropWare===
-Go to the forums. There is a reasonable thread on Linux support here: https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/166656/simpleide-on-linux
+Go to the forums for most up to date instructions. There is a reasonable thread on Linux support here: https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/166656/simpleide-on-linux
-In it, David Zemon recommends https://david.zemon.name/PropWare/#/about
+Link: https://david.zemon.name/PropWare/#/about
-However, upon testing the links on this December day, the Linux links were dead, and directory listing was not allowed. I'll be messaging him direct to fix the links. This was likely a temporary error, but it was another trap. Dead links. He has a github here: https://github.com/parallaxinc/PropWare   which lacks current releases. So you are stuck using his website for recent releases.
+Links were dead, but 'should' be fixed now.
 PropWare, also currently replaces your packages cmake, which means if you use cmake, you may later get confused. There is a ticket, and I imagine it's a WIP. I tried compiling v2.1.0 for PropWare without luck.
 ===2020/12 - Catalina: Source Build Required===
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 Upon first glance, you will see that Propeller is OSHW, and fully released. You might assume that favor towards OSHW would extend to FOSS. Yes and no. Yes, it can work on Linux, but no the company is not necessarily as gung-ho about FOSS as it is OSHW.
-It's walking a tightrope walk to get the propeller to work on GNULinux machines. But, it does and can work. Just be aware that there are a lot of unmaintained dead ends, if you travel down this path.
+It's walking a tightrope walk to get the propeller to work on GNULinux machines. But, it does and can work. Just be aware that there are a lot of unmaintained dead ends, if you tread down this path.

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 # Load simpleide, and expand the 2nd / 3rd panes by clicking the icon on the bottom left
 # Choose generic board
-# Connect to the board with an FTDI - USB adapter, or the propeller prop (I used a standard FTDI cable, and it worked no problem)
+# Connect to the board with an FTDI - USB adapter, or the propeller prop (I used a standard FTDI cable, and it worked)
 # At least on the Mini, RX and TX are swapped. I shit you not. RX on the FTDI goes to RX on the Mini. Don't ask me why this was done.
 # DTS on FTDI connects to RESET on mini. Mini is powered by 6.5-12V+. FTDI RX/TX is 3.3V.

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 # Use Debian Buster (possibly stretch or jessie)
 # Use the PropellerGCC website here: https://www.sites.google.com/site/propellergcc/
-# Download the .deb package.
+# Download the .deb package. (backup: https://archive.org/details/simpleide-0.9.66-amd64-debian-linux)
 # Install with gdebi (if you don't know what that is, look it up)
 # Load simpleide, and expand the 2nd / 3rd panes by clicking the icon on the bottom left

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	That's the tl;dr. Now for what does NOT work.		That's the tl;dr. Now for what does NOT work.
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		+	===2020/12 - Recent SimpleIDE does not work easily===
		+	SimpleIDE as of 2020 does not ship .deb packages. You must compile. Instant red flag. If you examine the install instructions for Linux, you will find that it refers to a non-existent .deb file. The documentation is outdated. Red flag no. 2.
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		+	Even the official website tells you its supported, which is false. The install instructions in the git are out of date, and reference a non existent .deb. Ref: http://web.archive.org/web/20200805021922/http://learn.parallax.com/tutorials/language/propeller-c/propeller-c-set-simpleide/linux
		+	http://web.archive.org/web/20200929084400/https://learn.parallax.com/tutorials/language/propeller-c/propeller-c-set-simpleide/raspberry-pi
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		+	===2020/12 - PropWare Dead Links===
		+	Go to the forums. There is a reasonable thread on Linux support here: https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/166656/simpleide-on-linux
		+	In it, David Zemon recommends https://david.zemon.name/PropWare/#/about
		+	However, upon testing the links on this December day, the Linux links were dead, and directory listing was not allowed. I'll be messaging him direct to fix the links. This was likely a temporary error, but it was another trap. Dead links. He has a github here: https://github.com/parallaxinc/PropWare which lacks current releases. So you are stuck using his website for recent releases.
		+	PropWare, also currently replaces your packages cmake, which means if you use cmake, you may later get confused. There is a ticket, and I imagine it's a WIP. I tried compiling v2.1.0 for PropWare without luck.
		+	===2020/12 - Catalina: Source Build Required===
		+	Catalina is another option, but for Linux you are shoehorned into source build only. That would be ok, if the dependencies were reasonable, but after trying all of the above for 2-3 hours, then getting here, I was not in the mood for another rabbit hole.
		+
		+	The only difficult dependency of Catalina appears to be wxGTK, which is advised in the install instructions are requiring a build from source.
		+
		+	===Conclusion===
		+	Upon first glance, you will see that Propeller is OSHW, and fully released. You might assume that favor towards OSHW would extend to FOSS. Yes and no. Yes, it can work on Linux, but no the company is not necessarily as gung-ho about FOSS as it is OSHW.
		+
		+	It's walking a tightrope walk to get the propeller to work on GNULinux machines. But, it does and can work. Just be aware that there are a lot of unmaintained dead ends, if you travel down this path.